Ryan wanted to be in her family, Mark just wanted to be in her band. Only one of them succeeded. The guys spoke with CLT legend Hope Nicholls about her journey from Fetchin' Bones to Sugarsmack to Snagglepuss to It's Snakes and all the craziness — good and bad — that came in between.

We also discuss another issue that Hope is passionate about: gentrification in Charlotte. And of course, the Charlotte music scene.

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• Hope Nicholls (left) with Fetchin' Bones sometime in the late '80s. (Photo by Allison Durham) Pictured in the podcast window: Hope hangs with one of her pups in her Plaza Midwood boutique, Boris & Natasha, during a 'CL' interview in 2017. (Photo by Ryan Pitkin)